Simon Marginson
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Interview
Simon Mar­gin­sonNo. 1/2026

Money as a decisive factor

Where are the best minds going and why? Higher edu­ca­ti­on re­se­ar­cher Simon Mar­gin­son on in­ter­na­tio­nal aca­de­mic mo­bi­li­ty

Where are the best minds going and why? Higher edu­ca­ti­on re­se­ar­cher Simon Mar­gin­son from the Uni­ver­si­ty of Oxford re­flec­ts on the shif­ting map of aca­de­mic ex­cel­lence and what this means for in­ter­na­tio­nal aca­de­mic mo­bi­li­ty. In an in­ter­view with Global Minds, he also ex­p­lains how Germany could turn its in­tel­lec­tu­al strengths into global at­trac­tion.

Pro­fes­sor Mar­gin­son, you have been ob­ser­ving the global science system for many years – how have the powers shifted over the past 20 years?

A lot has changed. Until 2005, the US science system was over­whel­min­gly do­mi­nant. In Europe, the EU frame­work pro­grams were streng­t­he­ning cross-border col­la­bo­ra­ti­on and, as a con­se­quence, the re­se­arch uni­ver­si­ties. Europe’s po­si­ti­on in high-ci­ta­ti­on science began to improve. China was also rising fast because of a funding program laun­ched in 1998, which aligned uni­ver­si­ty am­bi­ti­ons with go­vernment stra­te­gy and massive in­vest­ment. By 2005, you could already see rapid im­pro­ve­ments. Sin­g­a­po­re fol­lo­wed a similar path. Back then, few in the West be­lie­ved East Asian science could rival Europe or the United States, alt­hough the signs were clear.

In what ways has aca­de­mic mo­bi­li­ty changed in the United States and Europe?

The United States used to attract talent from ever­y­whe­re, in­clu­ding the Global South and Europe. Its private re­se­arch uni­ver­si­ties were eco­no­mi­c­al­ly strong and were major magnets for global re­se­ar­chers for many decades. Now, it has become more closed. Im­mi­gra­ti­on restric­tions – under Trump es­pe­ci­al­ly – have sent ne­ga­ti­ve signals. In the first ten months of last year alone, 8,000 in­ter­na­tio­nal stu­dents had their visas revoked. Sci­en­tists talk about leaving the United States more often, and some ac­tual­ly do. Europe is com­pa­ra­tively open. The frame­work re­se­arch pro­grams have normed cross-country re­se­arch teams and mo­bi­li­ty is fa­ci­li­ta­ted by the free mo­ve­ment within the EU. This is be­ne­fi­t­ing coun­tries like Germany, the Ne­ther­lands, Switz­er­land, and Denmark.

And the UK?

Prior to Brexit, the UK was a magnet for Eu­ropean talent, but its po­si­ti­on has now changed dra­ma­ti­cal­ly. Fewer EU ci­ti­zens came after 2020, re­cruit­ment of master’s stu­dents (who now had to pay full in­ter­na­tio­nal student fees) and doc­to­ral stu­dents from EU coun­tries de­cli­ned sharply, and aca­de­mic re­cruit­ment from the EU into tea­ching and re­se­arch posts col­lap­sed. Today the numbers of EU PhD stu­dents and post­docs have dropped to half of their pre­vious levels. A more restric­tive future mi­gra­ti­on policy could worsen this trend. Reform UK, cur­r­ent­ly leading in polls, wants to abolish per­ma­nent re­si­den­cy and require annual visa re­ne­wals and high salary thres­holds to main­tain re­si­dence. That would force many re­se­ar­chers to leave – crea­ting an op­por­tu­ni­ty for Germany and other Eu­ropean coun­tries to attract talent.

Has China’s rise re­sul­ted in more in­ter­na­tio­nal re­se­ar­chers?

If you look at pu­bli­ca­ti­on data, the impact of Chinese re­se­ar­chers is huge: About 45 percent of global sci­en­ti­fic papers include at least one Chinese name, coun­ting both Chinese na­tio­nals and Chinese-origin re­se­ar­chers abroad. That’s re­mar­kab­le. Out­bound mo­bi­li­ty from China is now slowing, but given its po­pu­la­ti­on, the number stu­dy­ing abroad is still high. However, the ma­jo­ri­ty of those who do doc­to­ral trai­ning abroad now return.

China now fa­ci­li­ta­tes re­cruit­ment of non-Chinese re­se­ar­chers through doc­to­ral scho­l­ar­ships di­rec­ted es­pe­ci­al­ly at Africa and other parts of the Global South. The leading Chinese uni­ver­si­ties also want to hire more non-Chinese faculty, but re­cruit­ment is dif­fi­cult because of the lan­guage barrier. Chinese takes years to learn, which limits mo­bi­li­ty. Re­crui­t­ing over­se­as Chinese remains far easier.

Which other coun­tries are cur­r­ent­ly on the rise?

Sin­g­a­po­re invests its money in a very tar­ge­ted fashion and is a stellar re­se­arch per­for­mer on a smaller scale. Canada might be be­ne­fi­t­ing from the less wel­co­m­ing image of the United States at present, but has cut back its re­cruit­ment of foreign stu­dents and this might affect its ca­pa­ci­ty to attract doc­to­ral stu­dents and re­se­ar­chers. India is the slow burner. Its economy is far ahead of its uni­ver­si­ty system, which remains frag­men­ted and un­d­er­fun­ded. Top Indian talent still moves abroad on a large scale. Even­tual­ly, however, its higher edu­ca­ti­on and science systems will upgrade.

In­ter­na­tio­na­li­za­ti­on expands the talent pool, often many times over. That is its most clear-cut value. And that alone in­crea­ses the li­keli­hood of ex­cel­lence

Simon Marginson

What are the ar­gu­ments in favor of in­ter­na­tio­na­li­za­ti­on – does it in­crea­se re­se­arch quality?

The answer is yes and no; reality resists a firm overall ge­ne­ra­li­za­ti­on. Bre­akth­roughs often come from close, local col­la­bo­ra­ti­on. When people work in the same in­sti­tu­ti­on, share culture and trust, and have strong shared know­ledge, in­ter­di­sci­pli­na­ry ideas tend to flow more easily. Other bre­akth­roughs, es­pe­ci­al­ly within the same field, benefit from in­ter­na­tio­nal di­ver­si­ty. Working across cul­tures can chal­len­ge as­sump­ti­ons and spark new ideas.

In­ter­na­tio­na­li­za­ti­on also expands the talent pool, often many times over. That is its most clear-cut value. And that alone in­crea­ses the li­keli­hood of ex­cel­lence. The es­sen­ti­al point is that science and re­se­arch are uni­ver­sal by nature. If you lose in­ter­na­tio­nal con­nec­ted­ness, you must ul­ti­mate­ly sta­gna­te. Even if bre­akth­roughs are local, which is often the case in large re­se­arch systems, staying glo­bal­ly engaged is crucial.

Does Germany have what it takes to become a magnet for in­ter­na­tio­nal talent?

The Ex­cel­lence In­itia­ti­ve couldn’t over­ri­de the system’s ega­li­ta­ri­an logic: Every uni­ver­si­ty should be good, every doc­to­ra­te strong. It’s a solid tra­di­ti­on – but un­d­er­fun­ded. The federal system, which often results in a lowest common de­no­mi­na­tor logic, is an ad­di­tio­nal brake. A sub­stan­ti­al in­crea­se in general funding would streng­t­hen the uni­ver­si­ties as re­se­arch in­sti­tu­ti­ons, both in­de­pendent­ly and as part­ners to the Max Planck Society. There’s no doubt that Germany has the talent and the or­ga­ni­za­tio­nal ca­pa­ci­ty to become a dynamic power­house. But without much more sub­stan­ti­al funding, this po­ten­ti­al will go un­tap­ped. Ul­ti­mate­ly, on the global scale, it is money that drives talent flows, as­suming mi­gra­ti­on rules allow mo­bi­li­ty.

People are highly sen­si­ti­ve to salary signals – often more than they should be.

Simon Marginson

Which bar­ri­ers do you see for in­ter­na­tio­nal ap­p­li­cants in Germany?

Lan­guage is the obvious barrier. In par­ti­cu­lar, An­glo­pho­ne aca­de­mics rarely learn other lan­guages. Another issue restric­ting com­pe­ti­tiveness is the lack of fle­xi­bi­li­ty in sala­ries. The United States can vary sala­ries widely to attract a star; Germany can’t. The de­cisi­ve factor in winning top talent remains money – and how stra­te­gi­cal­ly it is used. UK in­sti­tu­ti­ons, for example, couldn’t attract Ame­ri­cans after Brexit in 2016, or after Trump started to attack the uni­ver­si­ties in 2025, because British sala­ries are only 60 percent of US levels. People are highly sen­si­ti­ve to salary signals – often more than they should be.

Against this back­drop, it is all the more im­portant that German uni­ver­si­ties un­ders­core po­si­ti­ves, such as the level of aca­de­mic freedom in Germany and the per­ma­nent civil service status for pro­fes­sors, when com­pe­ting for in­ter­na­tio­nal talent.

What role do re­cruit­ment pro­ces­ses play?

You need a cos­mo­po­li­tan front door: in­ter­na­tio­nal members on search com­mit­tees, visible merit-based pro­ce­du­res, and an en­vi­ron­ment that signals open­ness. Over time, an in­crea­sing number of in­ter­na­tio­nal hires can shift the culture. Lan­guage re­qui­re­ments for tea­ching rein­force re­cruit­ment dif­fi­cul­ties: If un­der­gra­dua­tes have the right to be taught in German, hiring someone who can’t teach in German in­crea­ses the workload for ever­yo­ne else. That makes com­mit­tees risk-averse.

What steps should Germany take to attract in­ter­na­tio­nal talent?

I think there are three main topics that must be ad­dres­sed. Firstly, Germany must in­crea­se its mo­bi­li­ty support, for in­stan­ce through housing al­lo­wan­ces, re­lo­ca­ti­on support, and in­te­gra­ti­on as­si­s­tan­ce, in­clu­ding lan­guage courses and family support. This would en­cou­ra­ge people enor­mously. Se­cond­ly, it needs to enable dual-career options. The United States excels in this regard. Of­fe­ring me­a­ning­ful op­por­tu­nities for spouses makes re­lo­ca­ti­on far easier for aca­de­mic fa­mi­lies. Thirdly, pro­vi­ding suf­fi­ci­ent initial re­se­arch funding is crucial. A starter grant gives new hires time to es­tab­lish them­sel­ves and apply for major grants. Germany is highly at­trac­tive, in­tel­lec­tual­ly and so­ci­al­ly – but it doesn’t “shine” at first glance. Strong mo­bi­li­ty support helps create that initial appeal.

Simon Mar­gin­son is Pro­fes­sor of Higher Edu­ca­ti­on at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Oxford and was Di­rec­tor of the Centre for Global Higher Edu­ca­ti­on at Oxford. His re­se­arch focuses on global higher edu­ca­ti­on, uni­ver­si­ties, know­ledge systems, equity, and public policy, with par­ti­cu­lar at­ten­ti­on to glo­ba­li­za­ti­on and the public good role of uni­ver­si­ties.