Thomas Schlichthaerle
©Astrid Eckert / TUM

“Many in­ter­na­tio­nal re­se­ar­chers don’t even know what’s pos­si­ble in Germany”

How can the gap be bridged between top-level in­ter­na­tio­nal re­se­arch and the bu­reau­cra­cy of German aca­de­mia? Having worked at pres­ti­gious in­sti­tu­ti­ons in Boston and Seattle, the bio­che­mist Thomas Schlicht­här­le has decided to return to Germany – despite lu­cra­ti­ve al­ter­na­ti­ves in the USA. In this in­ter­view, he talks about $250,000-plus sala­ries, un­tap­ped start-up po­ten­ti­al, and what would make the German science system more dynamic.

Why did you decide to return to Germany?
At first, I won­de­red whether I should move to a start-up or what’s known as a “focused re­se­arch or­ga­ni­za­ti­on” (FRO). The USA is very at­trac­tive in that sector. Those or­ga­ni­za­ti­ons pay sala­ries uni­ver­si­ties can’t match – $250,000 a year is common. US uni­ver­si­ties are at­trac­tive too, par­ti­cu­lar­ly in me­di­ci­ne. But the problem there is that a great deal depends on third-party funding, and after three years you’re sup­po­sed to be fi­nan­cing your salary yours­elf. I found the offer from the Tech­ni­cal Uni­ver­si­ty of Munich (TUM) – sup­por­ted with funds from Wübben Stif­tung – more con­vin­cing. TUM is a “de­sti­na­ti­on uni­ver­si­ty”, it pro­vi­des a superb re­se­arch en­vi­ron­ment, em­bed­ded in the strong Munich eco­sys­tem. The city has two first-rate uni­ver­si­ties, the Helm­holtz and Max Planck in­sti­tu­tes, and a dynamic start-up culture which is being pro­mo­ted with tar­ge­ted in­itia­ti­ves from the TUM Venture Labs.

What do you appre­cia­te about the German system com­pa­red to the U.S.?
Fun­da­ment­al­ly, it is solidly fi­nan­ced. I don’t want to have to spend time scra­ping tog­e­ther third-party money to pay my salary every year. What’s more, there are in­ter­nal funding op­por­tu­nities and a large number of ex­ter­nal funding lines like the ones ad­mi­nis­te­red by the German Re­se­arch Foun­da­ti­on (DFG), the Eu­ropean Re­se­arch Council (ERC), and various other foun­da­ti­ons. Another ad­van­ta­ge is the in­fra­st­ruc­tu­re. In the USA, you often incur costs for every piece of equip­ment – $40 an hour to use a mi­cro­scope for example. All kinds of things are done more in­for­mal­ly in Germany: you just ask the la­bo­ra­to­ry next door. That works well in Munich because the struc­tures are open.

What still needs to be im­pro­ved from your point of view?
There’s a need for more in­ter­di­sci­pli­na­ry struc­tures. The most im­portant sci­en­ti­fic equip­ment – the core fa­ci­li­ties – require per­ma­nent per­son­nel, “staff sci­en­tists” as they are known. There are hardly any of these at German uni­ver­si­ties. A lot ends up being done by PhD stu­dents, which is in­ef­fi­ci­ent. The Max Planck in­sti­tu­tes have got the right idea in this respect. We should also be looking more to share the use of high-end in­fra­st­ruc­tu­re like GPU clus­ters for data pro­ces­sing, cryo-elec­tron mi­cro­scopes, and mass spec­tro­me­ters – not every lab has to own ever­ything itself. In ad­di­ti­on, more tenure track posts would be im­portant, and career paths should make it easier to switch between in­dus­try and aca­de­mia. Ex­ten­ded periods of em­ploy­ment in in­dus­try should not be a dis­ad­van­ta­ge. 

Are German uni­ver­si­ties doing enough to attract in­ter­na­tio­nal talent?
The offers are com­pe­ti­ti­ve—no doubt—but poorly com­mu­ni­ca­ted. In the U.S., group leaders are offered a com­ple­te package worth $1.5 to $2 million. In Germany, the funding is broken down into se­pa­ra­te budget lines, so the big picture isn’t clear. But the overall value is similar. Max Planck has nailed this: they offer a flat €2.7 million, which is very at­trac­tive in­ter­na­tio­nal­ly. The problem is mar­ke­ting. Many in­ter­na­tio­nal re­se­ar­chers simply don’t know what’s avail­ab­le in Germany. Uni­ver­si­ties already have world-class equip­ment that can be shared via col­la­bo­ra­ti­ons, but that message doesn’t get out. Job pos­tings also aren’t as visible in­ter­na­tio­nal­ly as they should be.

Where do in­ter­na­tio­nal re­se­ar­chers usually look for jobs in Germany?
That’s exactly the issue—most don’t know where to start. I get the ZEIT news­let­ter, but that’s very Germany-focused. In the U.S., social media plays a much bigger role. Germany needs a more in­ter­na­tio­nal re­cruit­ment stra­te­gy and a more tar­ge­ted ap­point­ment process: iden­ti­fy gaps and ac­tively seek out people to fill them.

How was your own hiring process at TUM?
I applied in June, in­ter­view­ed in October 2023—then silence. The pre­si­dent reached out per­so­nal­ly in May 2024, which made an im­pres­si­on. Nego­tia­ti­ons fol­lo­wed in July, and I ac­cep­ted the offer in Fe­bru­a­ry 2025.

Does it always take that long?
Quite often, yes. In my case, the whole process took almost two years. Months passed just between my in­ter­view and getting feed­back. In Sweden, where I also applied, things moved much faster: ap­p­li­ca­ti­on in Sep­tem­ber, pre-in­ter­views in October, full in­ter­view in January, and three weeks later I was on the short­list—with clear com­mu­ni­ca­ti­on throughout.

How much of a factor is lan­guage?
A huge one. Most ad­mi­nis­tra­ti­ve pro­ces­ses are in German. For in­ter­na­tio­nal col­leagues who don’t speak the lan­guage, this creates serious hurdles. Even hiring a team as­si­stant becomes dif­fi­cult when English skills are limited. If Germany is serious about in­ter­na­tio­na­li­za­ti­on, uni­ver­si­ties need bi­lin­gu­al ad­mi­nis­tra­ti­on across the board.

What else would help new re­se­ar­chers settle in?
A guest­house, like the one Max Planck offers. Having three to six months of housing takes a lot of pres­su­re off at the start. At TUM, I had great per­so­nal support from the School of Natural Sci­en­ces, but ideally, re­se­arch groups should have de­di­ca­ted, ex­pe­ri­en­ced ad­mi­nis­tra­ti­ve support from day one.

What were your first chal­len­ges in Munich?
Ma­na­ging my ca­len­dar (laughs). It sounds trivial, but it re­qui­res or­ga­ni­za­ti­on. Other­wi­se, things went smooth­ly—I found an apart­ment quickly. TUM, the Free State of Bavaria, and the Wübben Foun­da­ti­on pro­vi­ded ex­cel­lent support: two months of rental subsidy in Munich and six months of double rent covered when I was tran­si­tio­ning from Seattle.

Your pro­fes­sor­ship is in AI-guided Protein Design. What future ap­p­li­ca­ti­ons could your re­se­arch lead to?
There’s cur­r­ent­ly a global race in drug de­ve­lop­ment to design an­ti­bo­dies en­t­i­re­ly by com­pu­ter, with high ex­pe­ri­men­tal success rates. But there’s also a second, equally ex­ci­ting area: in­dus­tri­al bio­tech­no­lo­gy. Enzymes play a crucial role—whether in de­ter­gents, plastic re­cy­cling through PET de­gra­da­ti­on, or food pro­duc­tion. The big ad­van­ta­ge is that, unlike drug de­ve­lop­ment, these ap­p­li­ca­ti­ons don’t require lengthy cli­ni­cal trials, so pro­duc­ts reach the market much faster. AI methods are now so ad­van­ced that we can design enzymes for highly spe­ci­fic tasks.

How com­pe­ti­ti­ve is Germany in this field?
Munich now has three protein design groups: Alena Khme­lins­ka­ia (LMU), Lukas Milles (MPI/LMU), and myself—all from Seattle, all from the same com­mu­ni­ty. Leipzig has Jens Meiler; Bay­reuth has Birte Höcker. The eco­sys­tem is growing, but it’s still young. Europe, however, is waking up: Bo­ehrin­ger In­gel­heim is funding a new in­sti­tu­te for AI in bio­me­di­ci­ne in Vienna, and the Novo Nordisk Foun­da­ti­on just laun­ched a $100 million protein design center in Co­pen­ha­gen. But when it comes to tech­no­lo­gy trans­fer, Germany lags far behind. In the U.S., three major start-ups have already emerged: Xaira The­ra­peu­tics raised $1 billion, Ge­ne­ra­te Bio­me­di­ci­ne about $600 million, and Iso­mor­phic Labs—part of Google’s Al­pha­bet—has signed billion-dollar deals with pharma com­pa­nies. Unless Germany catches up, it risks being left behind.

Why is tech trans­fer still so weak in Germany?
It’s not about money—it’s about mindset. In the U.S., foun­ders are much bolder, even without social safety nets. In Germany, social se­cu­ri­ty means no one risks ending up on the street. But maybe that very safety slows people down. We need more ex­pe­ri­men­tal formats to support small, dynamic teams at the start. The Wübben Foun­da­ti­on’s sand­pits are a great model: small, fle­xi­ble grants to open up new re­se­arch areas and launch pilot pro­jec­ts. Later, more funding is needed—but as a first step, they’re in­credi­b­ly va­lu­able.

How did you become focused on AI and com­pu­ta­tio­nal methods?
A de­fi­ning moment was my master’s thesis at the Wyss In­sti­tu­te in Boston, where I met Ralf Jung­mann. I fol­lo­wed him to Germany and did my PhD at the Max Planck In­sti­tu­te of Bio­che­mi­stry in Munich, working on super-re­so­lu­ti­on mi­cro­sco­py and com­pu­ta­tio­nal data ana­ly­sis. But we always hit one wall: pro­te­ins had to be labeled for mi­cro­sco­py, usually with an­ti­bo­dies. When I heard David Baker speak at the in­sti­tu­te, I rea­li­zed his tech­no­lo­gies could design smaller, better-suited labels much faster. That was the spark that led me to join his lab in Seattle as a postdoc.

Did working with a future Nobel lau­rea­te shape your career?
Ab­so­lute­ly. When David won the Nobel Prize, it was a special moment. On an­noun­ce­ment day, the lab turned it into “Cham­pa­gne Day” (laughs). It was an ex­ci­ting time sci­en­ti­fi­cal­ly, too—AI trans­for­med the field fun­da­ment­al­ly during the years I was there.

Thank you for the con­ver­sa­ti­on.

Thomas Schlicht­här­le studied Mole­cu­lar Me­di­ci­ne in Tü­bin­gen and Mole­cu­lar Bio­en­gi­nee­ring at TU Dresden. After a re­se­arch stay at the Wyss In­sti­tu­te in Boston, he began his PhD at the Max Planck In­sti­tu­te of Bio­che­mi­stry in Munich. He later joined David Baker’s lab at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Wa­shing­ton in Seattle, fo­cu­sing on syn­the­tic pro­te­ins for cell growth. In 2025, sup­por­ted by the Wübben Foun­da­ti­on, he was ap­poin­ted Tenure Track As­si­stant Pro­fes­sor (W2) for AI-guided Protein Design at the Tech­ni­cal Uni­ver­si­ty of Munich. His re­se­arch com­bi­nes machine lear­ning, struc­tu­ral biology, syn­the­tic biology, and bio­me­di­ci­ne to develop new protein design methods, with the goal of en­gi­nee­ring syn­the­tic pro­te­ins that can mo­du­la­te, detect, or re­pro­gram cel­lu­lar si­gna­ling pa­thways.